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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:08 am 
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/shrug
i not "misquoted" i just defined the read meaning of all those tales about "stable democracy" (which means actually - being a faithful servant of US govenment)
however this was an offtopic inside offtopic :lol: so back to sexual inuendos :lol:


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Mrak: I wasn't commenting on Isreal having the technology or where they got it. That was completely irrelavent to the point I was trying to make. The other guy said that the Israelis were nuking Palestinians, and I said otherwise. That's all. As far as that point is concerned, it does not matter whether Isreal, or Iran, or the Ur-Quan have nukes or where they got them.

Once again, the point, and the only point I was trying to make is that regardless of what technology they have and where they got it, there have not been any nukes, gas, or germs used on the Palestinians by anybody, including the Israelis.


And yes, back to the original subject. I agree with the poster a couple pages ago who said that there is a big, fat 'T' on the MA box, so any parent knows that any child young enough to be "scarred" by a single possible innuendo shouldn't be playing it in the first place.

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I'm having a hard time understanding the motivation behind these children's parents' worries:

Part of the goal of the game is to invade, plunder and industrially rape as many nations as possible to build a massive army.

Parent: "Yes? And?"

There is also a possibility that your military advisor becomes so impressed by your performance that she politely makes a move on the player.

Parent: "What!? Give me that CD, kiddo! *CRACK* You're grounded."


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Artanis wrote:
whether Isreal, or Iran, or the Ur-Quan have nukes or where they got them.

what's Ur-Quan ?
and - gratz Deestan you really made a good depiction of a typical "parent" who was autor of this topic :D


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The Ur-Quan are the bad guys from Star Control 1 and 2.

http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/sc1/urqtech.shtml

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Maestro wrote:
Well I gotta say thanks for not flaming me on this one. I guess the two of us disagree a little bit and I can respect that. I just think that in a wargame, that is rather blatently gratuitous and unnecessary. Yes, they can and do see and hear far too much these days imho. Its just sad that I cant even get away from it in something so innocent as a wargame.


This is a comment from the original author of this thread. I think his arguments have been stretched so much that people forget how simple his question was: why is this necessary? He didn't speak about grounding his kids, suppressing anyone's rights, etc. He is just a concerned parent.

This is a war game, we knew that when we bought the box. But it is a very impersonal war game, with tanks shooting other tanks. There is no blood, there are no people visible, no death cries, etc. Sure, you can imagine that people inside the vehicles are dying, or tanks are running over people in the trees, but you could also imagine that none of the vehicles are actually manned, or that the technology is advanced enough for the pilots of vehicles to escape/eject before they are blown up.

But all of this goes beyond the author's original point. Of course everyone has their own opinion (he himself told how he respected other's opinions).

Now for my opinion. To me this is not that big of a deal, but I still don't see the need for this phrase. I'm not thinking just about my kids, but myself as well. Sure, I can handle it, I'm an adult, but I still don't like it. Thats all. Doesn't mean I'm going to shut off the sound, or delete that statement with the new sound tools we have, just stating my dislike for it.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 5:30 am 
Mrakobes wrote:
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Maelstrom do you really think that situation with morale in current US is significanlty better than in Rome? :lol: even late Rome had not such a huge pornography industry as US and at least Romanss were not introducing all those crazy laws about protecting rights of homosexuals and stuff. :wink:

the fact that the rights of homosexual need laws to protect them says something very unflatering about the state of the world, don't get me wrong it's better than it used to be but still a long way to go.

i'm personaly hetro but thanks to my upbring i just can't understand what anyone has against two people who wish to make their mutual feelings a legal contract. i personaly feel that the entire concept of marrage is outdated and overly linked to the idea of a state church

anyhow getting back on topic the innuendo is subtle enough that it only means anything to people who already have the knowledge,infact it doesn't impart any knowledge of a sexual nature, and i just can't complain about a single innocent joke


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Maelstrom wrote:
Maestro wrote:
Well I gotta say thanks for not flaming me on this one. I guess the two of us disagree a little bit and I can respect that. I just think that in a wargame, that is rather blatently gratuitous and unnecessary. Yes, they can and do see and hear far too much these days imho. Its just sad that I cant even get away from it in something so innocent as a wargame.


This is a comment from the original author of this thread. I think his arguments have been stretched so much that people forget how simple his question was: why is this necessary? He didn't speak about grounding his kids, suppressing anyone's rights, etc. He is just a concerned parent.

This is a war game, we knew that when we bought the box. But it is a very impersonal war game, with tanks shooting other tanks. There is no blood, there are no people visible, no death cries, etc. Sure, you can imagine that people inside the vehicles are dying, or tanks are running over people in the trees, but you could also imagine that none of the vehicles are actually manned, or that the technology is advanced enough for the pilots of vehicles to escape/eject before they are blown up.

But all of this goes beyond the author's original point. Of course everyone has their own opinion (he himself told how he respected other's opinions).

Now for my opinion. To me this is not that big of a deal, but I still don't see the need for this phrase. I'm not thinking just about my kids, but myself as well. Sure, I can handle it, I'm an adult, but I still don't like it. Thats all. Doesn't mean I'm going to shut off the sound, or delete that statement with the new sound tools we have, just stating my dislike for it.


What does need have to do with anything? That this even got raised as an issue is, to my mind, truly pathetic.

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:D Heh heh :D
I just had to comment that Deestan's reply was so good that I laughed outloud in the school library and coulden't help it. Wonderful comment. :P
The "problem" with the female military advisor is that she dosen't have more options. She should have "a parential advisory lock"-option, there should be a tall blond muscular man with the same comments for all the female and gay players who are now discriminated against by the game developers.

Now seriosly it would be easy to make the sound files accessible and chancable. Parents, females, gays, music lovers, scenario makers and people with a sense of humor could chance the victory speech to something more to their liking. Being it music, humor, (de)briefing or something in their native language. People could even upload their own victory speeches for downloading and rate the best new victory speeches in a ranking system. I for one know that I could make a great new victory speech avi. heh :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:39 am 
I think the topic of this thread is pathetic. Sorry for the highly direct approach, but fact is, I am right.
The innuendo is extremely mild for a start. It doesn't say anything directly, and anyone too young wouldn't be able to understand it. They would just ignore it. If they could understand it then they would already know enough on the topic to make their own decisions about it.
What do people think it will do to their children?
I want to know why sex is looked upon as being a bad thing. It is something that parents always try to avoid. But it is also the process of our creation. Without it we would not be here. It is that important and so why should it be looked upon as negative?
Another thing is as has already been pointed out, is that parents do not understand children and are brainwashed by society and religion. these things tell them that children should not know about sex, but what harm would it do?
Many people seem to think that young minds can be influenced by things like this. I have always been allowed to watch what I want and do what I want. This has benefitted me as it allowed me to realise for myself what is good and what is bad. What is right and what is wrong. Rather than being told what to think.
I have always played violent games from a young age. I played grand theft auto when I was about eight. I have never stolen anyones car, I have never hit people with a baseball bat and I have never used a flame thrower against a policeman. The reason for this is because I played a game and I could telll it was a game. Just because you are young does not mean you are stupid. Any idiot can distinguish between reality and fiction. If they cannot then they clearly have mental issues and will do something wrong no matter what they are subjected to.
I hate being told what to do, what to think and how to act. Society has always thrust these things upon me. I can make my own decisions and I have never lisened to the "rules" much but just done what I believe is
right. Now I am sure after hearing that, many ignorant people would have though I have spent half of my life in prison or people would think that I had been excluded from school for not conforming. Well these people are wrong, I have never done anything seriously wrong in my life. I am one of the least, if not "the" least violent person, I know. this tells me that these false sterotypes that society creates are utter rubbish.
I am sick of being thought of as something I am not.
I blame the government and religion. I know many people will hate my views about this and I don't know what the rules in this forum are. I have no idea if anything is not allowed to be said but these are my views. I hate religion. I believe religion has set out to control us, to make us all think the same so we all co operate and then in turn this helps the government, and reputations improve.
It is all a way of trying to make us afraid of what we are in order to make the world a calmer place. We are lied to by media and some people are forced into things by their families, particulalry religious families who make their children attend things such as church services. it is all a way of control, and they feel the best way is to blind us from the truth and to scarfe us into co operation. I really despise the way this world works but there is little I can do.
All I know is that every time someone is convinced that the very meanings of life are a bad thing for children to know about, it is then that we are slowly turning into slaves of the system.
This modern world seems to dislike people that want to think outside of normal restraints and think about things that others may say they are sure of. I don't know about you, but I will not stop be told what to think, I will think for myself and create my own reasonings.
Sorry for the posibly incoherent rant, but I have strong feelings about these things.
The world is controlled by people who do not understand what the average person thinks. They want to create this utopia where everyone agrees. It isn't going to happen and the sooner hey realise this the sooner we will make progress.

Ahh, that feels better to get that out now.


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I completly agree....er....whoever you may be :wink:

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