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LMAO, ph33r the Blue Butt Monkey!

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Wait, try this one. This is what those TV evangelists do.

Step 1) Worship Blue Butt Monkey

Step 2) ...

Step 3) Profit!

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Why try to disprove that there is a God?
And stop knit-picking my words.
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First of all, sry for my english...

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I do indeed understand what I speak about. The denial of the existence of God is a way to say that you can do what you want without consequence. Athiests deny there is a devil, and at the same time deny there is a God. If athiests say there is no right and wrong (due to a lack of diety to define it), then why is murder a crime? It is wrong because God says so


Well, thats exactly the kind of reasoning which leads to integrism. I dont agree at all with this view. Personnally, I think that we're responsible of our acts (but this point can be discussed if you believe in total determinism and you don't think we have any free will). It is true that this raise the question of morality and all the good and evil stuff. Of course, being responsible of your own acts means that different people can have differents views of what is good and what is wrong. But I think that when humans live together (that is, when some society appears), some sense of morality appears naturally. This sense of morality is very dependent of the type of society, but in general its first goal is to ensure some viability for the society. This process is even more interesting when you have "meta society" (that is, when different type of society encounter each others). In this case, if the different society are very different from each others, you can assist to different kind of possible interactions : one society completely destroy the others, the two society mix together to give birth to a new equilibrium, ... In any ways, I think that even if there is very often some common sense of morality in (very) different type of society, this is not due to god, but is this due to the fact that our similarities are more important than our dissimilarities. And these similarities are such that a lot of different people will agree on the fact that some common things are good and others are bad.

And concerning your atheist discussion, did you ever heard about agnostic people ? Deist believe in a god, Atheist dont' believe in it. But these two points of view are two act of faith. I mean, you cannot be SURE that there is some god (even if this depends also a lot of your definition of god) and this means also that you cannot be sure that there is no god. So, this is what I call an act of faith in either case. On the opposite, agnostic people are people who dont know because they aren't sure and they dont like to believe something without any evidence. This doesn't mean that agnostic people dont have any beliefs, but they know that these are beliefs and so they are careful with these beliefs... In this context, a key word is "tolerance" because you cannot be sure that the beliefs of others people are false and so, you respect others beliefs... Thats what I try to do, except when I encounter some intolerant people :wink:


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Gee, you might say athiests are religious people even though they claim the don't believe in anything. I must tell you that I come from a small fundamentalist church in Delray Beach. The pastor is soley dedicated to the preaching and teaching of God's word. This is not a Catholic church. There are no butt-pirate priests to be found here. We have no evangelists that are here for the purpose of earning a profit. Our church does not associate with either of them in any way. Our pastor is not in it for the money. I speak from a fundamentalist and abstract view point. Our brothers in Christ do NOT worship blue butt monkeys. And finally, we do not have our own private interpretations of the Bible. We preach the real thing. Accusations about my beliefs apply to the Catholics and TV evangelists, not us.

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i see now...the most stubborn fanatics were always coming from small sects.


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So many quotes, so little signature space...

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Serve whom you like, I will serve God. If you really want to find out the truth for yourself because you won't believe what I have said, you can always kill yourself. Suicide is also a sin.

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does the god actually need servants? what for does he need servants? so what's the point in serving him,


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Oh yeah, and quitch can serve Deestan.
God was bored and he made us, I suppose. Somebody to have fellowship with. He loves us. Faith is for those who can believe in what they haven't seen. I have seen evidence.

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I don't remember my score on this, I got it on a politics forum I post on..

I do remember being surprised at how far I was towards socialist economics, I didn't think I was that far left in it, but I'm also basing my opinion on the economics of the States, where I'm pretty damn conservative, considering. (We in the US have no conservatives. The Republicans are more liberal spenders than the Democrats, but they call the Dems liberal, go fig..)

I was right about where I suspected I'd be on the authoritarian scale, I ended up, if I recall, rather near to where Lola is on the graph on page one.

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Of which evidence do you speak oh wise one?


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"Gee, you might say athiests are religious people even though they claim the don't believe in anything."

By the way, you're wrong, you're uninformed, and you're misrepresenting the opposing belief.

Nihilists claim they don't believe in anything.

Atheists claim they don't believe in a higher power.

There is a significant difference between those two statements. Please stop wearing your posterior as a hat, and continue to believe as you will, religiously, but at least get the concept of someone else's beliefs right.

This is a common misconception about atheism, but that doesn't make it less wrong.

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I speak of athiests and nihilists the way I see them behave, not by their official principles. The behavior of the pastor of my church is consistent with our beliefs. I can speak of what I see only from my point of view. I understand your arguements and counter arguements. I see your point of view.

Don't rich people always think having more money with make them happy, but when they get the money, they find they are no happier than before, only greedier.

Republicans and liberals don't fit in the same category.
The political parties are Republican and Democratic, and the conservatives are matched with liberals. I could be a Republican, Democrat, or Independent. I don't care about that, though. I am more into morality, modesty, and war.

War (woor'): The more physical extension of politics.
Imagine two nations. First they ague (politics), then they have a fist fight (war).

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"I speak of athiests and nihilists the way I see them behave, not by their official principles."

Which is wise, since there is no "official principles". Calling someone an Atheist is like calling someone a Deist. It's generic.

All christians are Deists, not all Deists are christians.

All nihilists are atheists, not all atheists are nihilists.

Generalizations about things of that nature are silly, misplaced, and incorrect.

"Don't rich people always think having more money with make them happy, but when they get the money, they find they are no happier than before, only greedier."

Not particularly, you're big on the "Gross generalization" technique. "always" is a horrible word to use when basing it on principles.

"Republicans and liberals don't fit in the same category. "

Since when? Republicans are far more liberal spenders these days than the Democrats are. They are peeing away more money on more pork barrel spending than Democrats have since Carter. Liberal/Conservative is a misnomer. There's a great deal of Conservative Democrats just as there is a great deal of Liberal Republicans. To say "Republicans are conservative" is a misnomer, and, again, a gross generalization. Just as it is to say "Democrats are liberal." Gross generalizations are inherently false. By the way, be happy I haven't hit your Michael Savage thread. Savage closely resembles that one metric wrench that sits in your wrench set eternally because nothing in America fits it. (To those who don't get the metaphor: Useless Tool.)

"I am more into morality, modesty, and war. "

From what I've gleaned from your posts here you're failing on everything but the "war" part, and miserably at that.

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well we heard from Strategos more than enough those boring lectures about moral and modesty...about war though - what's his online alias?i was going to kick his ass but can not find any "strategos" in challenge list


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Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.41


To be honest this test gives too left and too libertarian results.. Or maybe I just found the little hippy inside me :wink:
But really the test gives a too libertarian result. I tought that I am more like 5 on authoritarian because I belive that a strong nation (government) is the best securer of the common good.

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Or maybe your idea of "strong" is perfectly placed in comparison to the range of ideas that people have of "strong".

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No it's not. And I know it.

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No it's not. And I know it.

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