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Author:  mwigor [ Tue May 31, 2005 1:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Twin Islands Tournament
Seeds
1 Pitor - bye to Quarter-final
2 Tiger - bye to Quarter-final
3 Manko - bye to Round of 16
4 cis - bye to Round of 16
5 Brashen - bye to Round of 16
6 unicorn - bye to Round of 16
7 Louis - bye to Round of 16
8 Arkon7 - bye to Round of 16
9 EasyE - bye to Round of 16
10 deimon
11 Cobra
12 Wintercorn
13 Chelsey
14 Rextrent
15 artmax
16 IvanKZ
17 SbsshadoW
18 Ozzy-mk
19 billie22

Draw for Round of 32
10 deimon 19 billie22
11 Cobra 18 Ozzy-mk
12 Wintercorn 17 SbsshadoW
13 Chelsey 16 IvanKZ
14 Rextrent 15 artmax
Author:  mwigor [ Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:06 am ]
Post subject:  Round of 16
Five matches have been started . . .

4 cis v 13 IvanKZ
5 Brashen v 12 Wintercorn
6 unicorn v 11 Cobra
7 Louis v 10 deimon
8 Arkon7 v 9 EasyE
Author:  mwigor [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Housekeeping
artmax has not played a turn - Rextrent advances to the Round of 16

The following match has been started . . .

3 Manko v 14 Rextrent
Author:  mwigor [ Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:45 am ]
Post subject:  Quarter-Final
The following matches have been started . . .

1 Pitor v 8 EasyE
2 Tiger v 7 deimon
4 IvanKZ v 5 Brashen
Author:  mwigor [ Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:19 am ]
Post subject:  Semi-Final
1 Pitor v 4 IvanKZ
Author:  Pitor [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:18 am ]
Post subject: 
Hello,
Did you know that there are some problems due to broken games for my match against Ivankz? If not, plz read the topic in the user support/question (name of the topic : tournament game #75633 is broken). My opponent and I agree to concel cuurent games and to restart both games. Could you arrange that plz ?
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Author:  mwigor [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:21 am ]
Post subject: 
I will restart the broken game - but don't see why the other one should be restarted?

MW.
Author:  Pitor [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:02 am ]
Post subject: 
Because otherwise there is some big biases. Indeed, I was sure to win the broken game (and also I think that I was about to win it more faster than the other one, but that's my opinion) while I'm also pretty sure to lose the other.
So, if you just restart the broken game, that means that my opponent has a new opportunity to win a game that otherwise he was sure to lose while he still keep a game that he's sure to win. In this sense, this is unfair for me because it is the same that if you say to my opponent : "ok, you were about to lose this won, so let cancel this one and restart it so you can have a new chance while you can keep the game where you're winning". That's just non symmetrical.
But if you restart both games, then all counters are put back to zero and such biase disappear.
Sorry to look so annoying, but as this is a tournament game, I would like fair things
:wink:
Author:  mwigor [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:14 pm ]
Post subject: 
Pitor wrote:
Because otherwise there is some big biases. Indeed, I was sure to win the broken game (and also I think that I was about to win it more faster than the other one, but that's my opinion) while I'm also pretty sure to lose the other.
So, if you just restart the broken game, that means that my opponent has a new opportunity to win a game that otherwise he was sure to lose while he still keep a game that he's sure to win. In this sense, this is unfair for me because it is the same that if you say to my opponent : "ok, you were about to lose this won, so let cancel this one and restart it so you can have a new chance while you can keep the game where you're winning". That's just non symmetrical.
But if you restart both games, then all counters are put back to zero and such biase disappear.
Sorry to look so annoying, but as this is a tournament game, I would like fair things
:wink:


The two games are independent - if you believe you would definitely have won the broken game - then lets have a look at a replay of both and maybe you will win on an adjudication. But there is no reason for the unbroken game not to be completed. You were playing it as a tournament game - it started from a random position - there is nothing unfair about it.

Good luck in the new game.

Cheers, MW.
Author:  Pitor [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:59 pm ]
Post subject: 
Well, I see you point. I must recognize that in the end I've to agree with this. This remains quite frustrating for me just because I've strong feeling that I would have won this game faster than I'll lost my other game. But as accidents can happens and as this is no one's fault, your solution is ok.
Author:  Brashen [ Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:31 am ]
Post subject: 
Those 2 tournament games are certainly NOT independant of each other. They are very closely linked actually.

Pitors suggestion to keep things fair was valid and should have been executed.
Author:  mwigor [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:24 am ]
Post subject:  Fourth Quarter-Final
3 Rextrent v 6 Cobra
Author:  mwigor [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:25 am ]
Post subject: 
Brashen wrote:
Those 2 tournament games are certainly NOT independant of each other. They are very closely linked actually.

Pitors suggestion to keep things fair was valid and should have been executed.


Would it still be fair if Pitor had been going to win both games to restart the unbroken one?
Author:  mwigor [ Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Second Semi-Final
2 deimon v 3 Cobra

Please play quickly.
Author:  mwigor [ Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:36 am ]
Post subject:  Final
1 Pitor v 2 deimon
Author:  Tiger [ Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:11 pm ]
Post subject: 
Pitor is winner. Congratulations!
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